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Esrb needs to play the game when they are rating...

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How do you play an entire MMO? For entire committees or panels? And pay them for all that time?

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ESRB wouldnt know how to turn the damn console on...
Im going to rant here for a bit.
Isnt our country all about freedom of choice and free speech an all that jazz? First, i totally agree that we should have a rating system for parents. THATS a good thing. However, when a game is banned or being refused a license BECAUSE of that rating, THAT is where the BS starts. Why should Nintendo, Sony, M$ or anyone tell us "adults" what we can and cannot play/watch on our systems (oh sorry wii owners.. no movies for you). Sony cant tell me what movies i cant watch on my Playstation, so why should they be able to tell me which games i can't play? If they are concerned about parents buying this game for their children, then perhaps its the PARENTS fault for not monitoring WTF their kid is doing. NOW THERE is an idea.. letting PARENTS take responsibility. This is the SAME BS we went through with GTA:SA. Im also pretty sure that the Playstation/Xbox games shouldnt have been re-rated because is it not true that you need a hacked system to even access hot coffee? dont you have to download a PATCH for the PC that allows it? Im pretty sure that is an active decision to access that feature, and it shouldnt be the developer's fault if your child is smart enough to figgure it out. Hell, send the kid to an advanced school.
My point is that Nintendo, Sony, the ESRB and the Gov't shouldnt have ANY right to tell us what we can and cannot do. Sounds like the beginning of communism to me.
Thus endeth the rant.

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That's not why it was rated AO. It got that rating because the fear was put into parents and by extension politicians /lawyers/attention-whores because unlike other games, you can "simulate" and "practice" snapping someone's neck or stabbing them in the eye.
You know, the same way Wii Sports "simulates" pitching a baseball or putting a golf ball. Very, very, badly. Srsly, play Wii Golf for a few hours, then go out and try to play a round on a real course.

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Ideas are ideas if your acting them out or watching them on a screen. The fact we play the actors in levels of the game should not bare a damn bit of difference from the big screen. Main reason it does is cause of the industry and time. Hollywood has been in the battle quite a few more decades before us gamers. Oh and the fact that when a younger person does something wrong and they played video games. The games get blamed rather than looking and the big picture or main problem.

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@ 1 and they dont have to play the whole game just play part of it and get an idea of what it is like more then just watching, @ 2 then they should hire people that CAN turn the damn console on!

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...Well maybe im overeacting alittle the rating system works fine and it doesnt need to get more complicated it just bothers me the people at esrb arent experiencing the game the same way people actually playing it are, and the whole banning manhunt2 thing bothers me alot I mean comeon leave it to parents to parent there kids and all that.

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Speaking of "murder simulation," watch enough CSI, Cold Case Files, City Confidential, Forensic Files, or any other dozens of shows that are currently on television this very moment if you want to learn how to murder someone and get away with it. Seriously, watch enough daytime tv and knowing how to cover your tracks after you murder a stranger will become second nature. Yet this Wii game gets banned because of it's dangerous content?

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Otsego took the words right out of my mouth. Too many parents nowadays let the TV raise their kids instead of being good parents and raising them themselves. Game developers should not be punished for catering to a mature audience. Why should I, being an adult, not have access to a game that is no more graphic than an episode of CSI which can be seen on prime time on CBS? ESRB is lame, completely and utterly out of touch with reality. Parents need to learn how to parent instead of plopping their kids in front of the TV hoping they turn out all right.

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Anyone play Godfather: Blackhand? All the dialogue is "shit-fuck-shit-fuck-shit-fuck", and you get to graphically STRANGLE people. It didn't get AO.

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#10 Of course it didn't get AO, because... wait for it... here it comes.... the watchdogs are too busy glaring at rockstar. That's my guess at least.

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Ok you know the ESRB is fucked when the NY Times disagrees with them. And I never knew that the ESRB didn't play the games...how fucking retarded!!

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I agree partly with otsego.

But, it is probably the pressure the ESRB and the horrible attention they and Rockstar have been receiving from these anti-game activists that has caused this. Is the game really worse than the first one? Even at that, the ESRB shouldn't let these jerks run their business that way. Stand up for yourself. Most of the gaming community supports you.

I really don't get the AO rating that much in the end anyway. Yeah, I understand labeling a very graphic game, but...The age difference is 1 year and you have to be 18 to buy a damn M rated game anyway. Messed up it is.

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I'm not gonna give two cents, I'm gonna give a nickel. Were to begin, I think people gotta understand why some things are the way they are, but first, lets talk about movies. As far as I'm concerned, movies now a days should be rated for adults only for the crap they have in them. First you gotta notice that they keep pushing the bar a little higher each time(A little extra gore, a little extra bad language, a little extra sex, etc. etc.), study history of movies a little and you will notice how through time they gradually get a little worse each year. Reason why is because that want people to get use to it so it don't seem like such a big deal, or rather they want to desensitize people towards said content(There are other ambitions here as well, such as ruining the image of sex so people no longer treat it properly and respectfully). So now something that people 30 years ago would have gasped at and maybe even thrown up at is nothing now a days, and if you seen anybody with said reaction, you would wonder what the hell there problem is, its nothing new after all. Now on to the gaming side, in my opinion, Rockstar's big mistake was raising the bar to high for the current generation, you gotta go slow otherwise things like what there going through will happen. Now, by no means am I saying any of this content is OK, because I'm not, I'm against most of it, its just not needed. For example, if you took GTA III SA, took out all sexual references, swearing, and over the top violence, it wouldn't make it any less of a game, nay, I say it would have made it a much better one, one that many more people can enjoy. Plus the Gov. and the ESRB isn't telling us what we can and cant do(what we buy video game wise), there just enforcing a rating system on it which is a good thing, even though they do a poor job to many times sadly, but even with that AO rating, you can still buy it, though it definitely makes it harder to get, which I think is a good thing. Like for example, there are a lot of responsible parent that just aren't with the gaming times, and with an AO rating, a kid is gonna have a much harder time convincing mommy to buy such and such a game. And for so many other issues in the world that would relate here, there isn't enough space to talk about it. But I will offer a link to a book you can read legally online that will give you a lot of good answers, well for the minds out there that want to know(not so much about gaming but are history in general and why things are so bad and how they got there. Such as why so many kids watch TV and why parents let them(i.e. the parents let the TV raise the kids). You might be surprised at a lot of it. But this is a lot of reading, a real lot, but its all good. but before I post the link I want to say something about freedom and free speech. Now please do not misunderstand, I'm not attacking any one on the subject, but I do know a lot of people no longer seem to know what these things really are, I will not go to much into it, just a little. First the right to free speech "does not" give you the right to say what ever you want when ever you want to whomever you want, it never did, never will. The right to free speech means you have the right to speak out against a government when there doing something you don't agree with, all people should have this, but even here in America people are trying to take it away so they can get away with there selfish and greedy plans, in other countries they would kill you on the spot if you tried to speak out, whether you are right or not. And as for freedom, everyone has it, and it should not be something you earn. Sadly, even here in the U.S., we don't really have much freedom anymore, or what I like to say, we have a false freedom. You think you can(and you should be able to), but you can't and you will face severe penalties if you tried. But don't think that just because you have the right to freedom doesn't mean you can do what ever you want. If what you are doing would jeopardize some one else's freedom, then its not freedom at all but criminal. This is what laws made by the U.S. are supposed to prevent, but things are so screwed up right now that people are passing laws to take your freedom away and extend there own freedom for there own evil ambitions. Well enough for now, I could go on but I think I would start to go off topic(If I haven't already :) ). Well, Thank you for your time, and heres that link, I will assume you can figure out on your own how to navigate the site(I think it easy).


http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm

Enjoy

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P.S. Just encase some one expects me to write back, well I may not be able to, or be able to check how this topic even goes(like any body would even care :) )Cause I'm usually very busy, right now I have to get ready for a long drive again(Business jobs sucks sometimes). reason I'm saying this is because I wrote a lot more then I thought I did(little worried maybe?). well bye :)

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So let me get this straight. NY Times writer thinks watching a crime being committed is WORSE than being allowed to commit the crime with no punishment at all? And guy from wired thinks the opposite? Maybe the NY Times hired the wrong guy...

I'll admit, I don't care what games you play or how often you play them, as long as YOU know it's not real. The sad truth is, there are a LOT of people out there that have very skewed views of reality. I think an AO rating is just fine IF stores stocked it and checked for ID. I personally won't play this game, as I have zero interest in it. And regardless of "movie magic" vs "graphics" if done well you will "Feel" like you are there.

Hopefully it plays more humours and non-lifelike like GTA games than say Splinter Cell or Metroid where the quality is in the feeling of the game.

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Bad reporting on the NY Times part.

1. They reviewed the edited M-Rated version of Manhunt 2, not the AO version where castration plus removing and keeping vertebrae was a common move.

2. They viewed the Saw 2 DVD which was the Unrated version that the MPAA had given an NC-17 rating to. As a matter of fact, Saw 2 had to be submitted 8 times with severe edits before they finally got an R rating.

Additionally Rockstar purposely put content in the game that they knew would get an AO rating so they could use it as PR for a bad game. I played a demo of Manhunt 2 at a Fango convention and the game simply sucks. They needed something to get people interested in this turkey.

Rockstar's reckless behavior between this and the "Hot Coffee" hack in the last GTA is doing to the video game industry what Janet Jackson's Superbowl boob slip did for TV, it's throwing us backwards into a highly Censored society, all for the sake of some publicity and a few $$$ they are ruining the industry for the rest of us who are trying to make decent quality M-Rated games.

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