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Even if it was more fine tuned- I think we can wait for the next Smash Bros for a subspace sequal.

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wouldn't that be just like a SSBB without the multiplayer? I dont think it'd be a good idea, maybe they should continue the saga, but not as a separate game and just as the adventure mode of the next SSB.

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*Spoilers* I actually really enjoyed the Subspace up until the big maze at the end of it. Artificially lengthening a game is one thing, but having to not only fight every character and boss in the game again, but having to go through environments that you've already traversed to find them is ridiculous.*End Spoilers*

Now, if they were to sell a Subspace-esque thing as a standalone sequel, they'd have to overhaul some aspects. Most notably I would at least want some talking. Mario and Link don't have to talk, but Fox and Pokemon Trainer and the like could. Also there'd definitely have to be more variety in gameplay. What's there right now is fine considering Subspace is basically a bonus mode, but it doesn't cut it as a standalone game. Also, the RPG elements would need to be given more attention, since I beat the game on Normal without having to use the stickers or having to start over once.

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look, i played through the subspace, and it was ok, but i'm not going to keep playing it over and over, i mainly played it because i wanted to unlock characters, and i did. maybe if there was dialog...and more story than, look, trophies, i know that person, lets save them. i mean common, with great storylines from the legend of zelda, and a couple of other great nintendo things, i'd like a bit more. now if they made a game devoted to it...they need to 1. make sure they don't incorperate the brawling controls for action controls, just doesn't work
2. i hate cutscenes, it should all be done right there. and a bigger cast, a MUCH bigger cast, would make me very happy!

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I'm enjoying it; I'm even liking the maze at the end. I most likely won't be playing it over again, but I may do that for all the cutscenes.

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Personally, I generally like it... I'm not all that far in it, so my opinion may change, but the cutscenes are pretty nice (and occasionally entertaining...Diddy dragging off Fox...hehehe...).

No, I won't play through it again after I finish, but I'll enjoy it while I've got it...

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To be fair, I've mostly been playing every other mode in the game. I think Diddy Kong was the last character to join in my SSE campaign.

So far I'm not sure what to think of it. The cutscenes are great, but I personally feel it would benefit from a bit of dialogue. Even if it were text, and not spoken, and even if it were limited to characters known to have dialogue in their own games (e.g. not Mario).

Also, when compared to other games where 1P mode is all you get, SSE seems to lack tutorials on, well, anything. Granted it's not too complex to figure out you progress on the map and place stickers on your trophies, but it still feels like something needs to be explained as to what you're doing and why.

But again, I'm less than 10% through, so that's my opinion thus far.

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I actually enjoyed the Subspace Emissary. I started playing it as a way to unlock the characters I hadn't gotten yet, but as it turned out I enjoyed the story. I also appreciated that it forced me to play characters who'd normally be collecting virtual dust (Yoshi sux) and had me going back through levels to hit 100%. Lastly besides getting your final reward for finishing it, playing all the way through yielded a ton of trophies and stickers for my collection.

I'd have to agree with Bopper tha it would need quite a bit of enhancement to get a stand-alone sequel, but as part of Brawl, I see it as a welcome addition.

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I hate platforming and could care less about trophies, but I DO want all of the characters and figure this is at least a mildly amusing way to do it.

I also think the boss fights are mildly amusing and at least, so far, the platforming aspects haven't been TOO painful.

I'm also finding this a cute excuse to learn the moves of some characters I may not have otherwise have bothered with that soon.

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The Subspace Emissary is awesome. Im tired of people putting it down.

*spoiler

Ancient Minister is really ROB = win

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It isn't horrible, but it isn't really great either. I find I'm playing it just to get through it rather than because I want to see what happens next.

No sequel necessary for me, thanks.

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The CGI was great, story was alright, gameplay was alot like Kirby games(plus Sakurai's characters played the biggest roles).

Overall it was alright, annoying in parts(especially the end), but fun in others.

Much better effort than the one in Melee at least.

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I liked it. The biggest thing that I've heard people complain about is the Great Maze, but since you can see a map of the entire area anytime you pause the Great Maze really isn't difficult at all. Besides, I thought it was cool having to go back and fight every character & boss. /shrug Maybe that's just me though.

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I just finished the Subspace Emissary on Normal, just to unlock Sonic, Toon Link, Wolf, Jigglypuff, etc. And it was pretty good, I guess. Thing is, after having struggled with the sloppy jumping/sidescrolling, etc, the first time... I'm not sure if I'd want to play it again.

But SSE without Brawl's multiplayer? I don't think I'd have any reason to buy that game.

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I've put off buying Brawl because, frankly, I have no interest in button-mashing games (and yes, Melee was a button-mashing game.) SE was what almost made me buy it anyway, but hearing that it's not all that well fleshed out means to me that I'll be waiting till the next drought.

But a standalone sequel that really is a full platformer? Bring it on.

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In the beginning, after hearing tons of bad stuff about the SSE, I decided to avoid it. However, after I brawled in VS mode a ton of times, I got bored and decided to give the SSE a try. It grabbed me by throat and dragged me into a world of gorgeous cutscenes, easy character unlocks, and tons of other extras, plus a pretty decent story mode from the people who made FFVII. The story, for having no speaking/voice acting whatsoever, was comprehensible and yet funny. Diddy Kong and Peach's antics (dragging the StarFox team by their collars, serving peach tea to opponents, respectively) made me laugh, because it was so sincere. And the final battle before entering Subspace? The graphics in that one cutscene rivaled the 360's graphics. Seeing the battle between the Subship and the Halberd, then the explosion of the Halberd and seeing all the good guys make a quick exit on about 6 respective ships from games such as Metroid, StarFox, Pikmin, F-0, and Kirby made me want to weep tears of joy. Seeing every Nintendo character helping on another, fighting side by side against Tabuu, Ganondorf, and Master Hand was just glorious. If Nintendo makes another Super Smash Bros. game, please, PLEASE make a sequel. I would definitely play it. Better yet, make this story the official storyline of Super Smash Bros.! Make Tabuu a playable character next time! Make the Primid staples of Nintendo, just like Metroids and Goombas. I can't fathom just how much Melee was missing. If I reviewed Melee today, I would give it a 6 or a 7, just because it was missing the SSE. I love it today, and keep it up with the cutscenes. Oh, and I'm not going to give this character's identity away, but I did NOT see the twist with the Ancient Minister's alter ego coming. That was unexpected. Just when you think he's dead, out of the flames rises a new playable character. It was disturbing, yet awesome. Especially how his conscience got to him in the end. MORE, NINTENDO AND SAKURAI! MORE!!! WE LOVE SSE!!!

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Great story but the ending was minimal at best.

The whole thing reminds me of Kingdom Heart, though.

The crossovers, the enemies, the last boss...

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The Subspace Emissary had a great concept that just wasn't very well executed. It would have been nice if there was some explanation as to why different characters somehow ended up in other worlds (like why was Yoshi just sleeping in the middle of the Lost Woods?).

I feel like Sakurai saw what SquareEnix did with Disney in Kingdom Hearts and wanted to create a similar experience without going through the trouble of fleshing an actual storyline.

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I thought SSE was great fun. In fact, since I got the game, I've spent more time on SSE than in multiplayer brawls.

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i dunno. i liked the story and the subspace characters, but i think having all the characters from other video game franchises gave it kind of a fanfiction quality. i think it would have made a great game on its own as long as they came up with new characters for it. then THOSE characters could be in a smash bros. game!

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I didn't like how a ton of levels in SSE were designed for pure annoyance. It might be the fact that I was rushing through it to unlock sonic for my release party later that day, but I recall a stage with like 80% of those enemies who freeze you. >.< So annoying. I wouldn't mind a sequel though. If it was it's own game I think it would be better with a different control scheme than smash, or a different engine. It would still be interesting to see.

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Why they took the worst part of Melee, made the crappy parts longer, and concentrated the good parts to the last level, is beyond me.

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I don't think it should get it's own game, but playing Samus as a side scroller on the Wii got me thinking. I would love to see a full game dedicated to that. Maybe just a remake of all the older Metroids upscaled and redone for the Wii.

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i liked the SSE, the maze was fun, long, but it wasn't too bad, i wouldn't mind a sequel in SSB4 either, i like platformers

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SSE was a ton of fun for me. But it was addicting fun. The setup would have needed to be tweaked because everything can and will kill you, and Floows are horrible.I didn't like how I needed to see what happens next, not caring how much time I wasted. A sequal would be nice, but a standalone would need an overhaul To make the game less about killing an infinite amount of enemies, and more about getting around. The enviroments would be more interactive, like Super mario Bros, and there would need to be words, not a mishmash of stuff happening.

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I kinda liked it. I agree with what some people said about how it forces you to learn characters you normally wouldn't be interested in. I also agree with the poster who thought about how cool it would be for a new sidescrolling Metroid game using 3D graphics and a zero-suit Samus looking for her powersuit.

It's a good indication of how sidescrolling platformers still have a place. New Super Mario Bros. (a game which needs to be ported to Wii, it's so beautiful) is another example.

I actually enjoyed the Great Maze. It was super fun going through and trying to find every last door and nook and cranny. Once I got to the end I felt I'd earned it.

I would buy a sequel if it was on Wii Ware or something, but I'm not sure I'd shell out top dollar for a brand new disc.

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i just beated it yersterday and at the end it toll me i had like 78%
of it. i might just replay it to have the 100% clear. i think at the begining it was pretty swet wiht all the cut scenes and it was a good way to get familiar with all the character and the speed of the game...but when i got to the end it felt more like an chour.

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If they put more work into making Subspace Emissary feel like a traditional platformer (i.e. a life bar, scrolling the screen faithfully whenever you move, and more involved boss battles), then I might think it was a good idea. As it is, it's just the Adventure mode for a better multiplayer game. Compare Subspace alone to any other platformer on the market today, and you'll probably agree with me that it's woefully underwhelming.

As a vehicle for killing some time and unlocking some characters in Brawl, it's okay, and even as a means to further a paper-thin storyline, it's decent. But as a game, all on its own? It's meh.

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I think that if the Smash Bros. style of damage were changed to an RPG "HP"-type system, scrolling text were added, and the need for using stickers actually occurred, I feel that Subspace Emissary would make an excellent budget title on the Wii for people who don't like the SSB style of game.

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At times the SSE was some of the most pretty gaming I had seen on the wii (with cut scenes and such) But there where points where it seemed like hey lets put this stuff in to repeatedly screw with people (i.e. spikes on the wall in the dessert) and it got really redundant until the Great Maze. I enjoyed the later more. The first part was just tedious and the only reason I continued to play was it would be more tedious to do x number of matches to unlock characters. If they did refine the adventure more and maybe worked on a camera that followed you better i could see as a budget game or sequel in the next ssb.

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I think that with every character should have it's own level design element. For example, if you were using Mario, you would see ? Blocks for Items eveywhere, and if you were Link, all your items would come out of beating enemies. (spoilers) Or if you were using the Ice Climbers to get to the Halberd, then the level should be designed like an Ice Climbers level.

Other than that, I loved the SSE a lot, especially the Great Maze, which to me, was the best part of the game whether I liked it or not. (end spoilers)

Nintendo also made a good job using body language instead of the spoken word. I think that at least some characters should speak (Pit, Starfox crew, Snake, etc.) and throw jokes at how the others can't speak since Nintendo don't want to get a real voice actor. Breaking the 4th wall is awesome.

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I thought SSE was one of the most frustrating games ive ever played. Ive finished it 100%, but honestly its not that fun to play through. I know they wanted to mix platform with Smash Bros mechanics, but it didnt mix well at all. Too much bouncing around for my taste.

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are u kidding me? The subspace emissary is on the "meh" side of things? No way. Its freaking AWSOME and yeah I better see a sequel some day. Great job for basically packing 2 games into 1 for SSBB nintendo.

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Well, I am not trying to make excuses, but you have to understand that Brawl is made by Sakurai, who created the Kirby series

The totally mute, textless cut-scenes reminded me a lot of the cut-scenes from Kirby 64, which I loved. Although personally I felt they should've gone with an idea that "If they talk in their native games, they talk in this game." If they text in their native games, the text in this." Link, Samus, and Kirby, for instance, would've stayed totally mute. Mario, Peach, Mario, and Bowser would've only spoken in short sentences. Marth, Zelda, Ganondorf would talk in text. Ike, Snake, C. Falcon, Sonic, Fox, Falco, and Wolf would've spoken in whole, comprehensible sentences

That would've made more sense to me

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*I'm Currently in the Great Maze*
It's O.K...but as a Standalone title...no thanks. I would be all for it in SSB4 with a new antagonist and some text. I had hoped on Vs. Mode first thing and done so many matches, I didn't need to play SSE(except for Ganondorf and G&W). Also...I only used Stickers on Mario(who I tried my best not to use...SSB64 -> Brawl screwed my Mario skills...now I use G&W :3)

Great Maze makes you earn Sonic though :P
Also, I hate when a game makes the beginning part good and playable...but the end is tedious.

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Yeah, I like the SSE. And I like the Great Maze The first time I had to go back and fight a boss over again I instantly thought "Megaman". Cross that with a Metroid-esque map and I'm a happy clam. And is it just me or did it seem like the sections of SSE with Samus seem a little more polished than the rest? The Samus/Pikachu stages seemed to be a little more developed, what with the basic switch-flipping, puzzle-solving element added instead of the usual "run through and beat stuff up". Plus, you fight Ridley not once, but twice. I mean, there are only ten bosses. Five are original characters. That leaves only five from the classic games. and TWO of those five are Ridley. And the one, Meta-Ridley, is extremely well put done. The way he attacks the Falcon Flier to get at you is quite nifty. Over all, I'm a big fan of SSE.

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I would love to see a sequel to Subspace since I really like seeing all the Nintendo characters together, but they would really need to give it an overhaul in gameplay. For one, the platforming would need to be smoother; less like a fighter, more like an actual platformer. The monsters would need to be more varied, and more creatures from games besides Mario would be appreciated (and, better yet, more monsters from Mario too!). Also, a bit more polish in terms of presentation (The bosses could have been less "Mash at various buttons"-y, and the ending to Subspace felt...abrupt).

Also, though I know it won't happen, it would be pretty awesome if there were a Paper Mario kind of cross-over game. I can just imagine everybody in Brawl paper-fied! XD

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Anybody who complains about S.S.Em should put it next to Melee's adventure. It's WAY better! ... But I dunno if it's worthy of it's own game. While S.S.Em is lotsa fun, the multiplayer is the main part of smash. Take it out and it wouldn't be smash. If they're going to make a sequel to S.S.Em, they GOTTA still have normal smash battles in there, or else it just wouldn't be as awesome.

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NIt's not exactly a terrible feature. I found myself enjoying the epic cutscenes, most of the character teamups, the little chuckles here and there, and the boss battles( mmmmm... Ridley). It was a bit clunky with the fighter mechanics not perfectly translated to platforming. Overall though, I found the game perfectly playable and enjoyable. Hopefully we can get a follow up with more refined controls and a story with actual dialogue so it doesn't seem so damn random.

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