Whether or not you've gotten the chance to play
Smash Bros. Brawl, you've probably heard about the game's
achievements challenges and rewards. This system is somewhat similar to earning achievements in Xbox games, although not quite.
We really like how
Brawl handles challenges, but what do
you think? Do the challenges add any depth to the game? And, how do they stack up when compared to achievements on Xbox titles?
Also, if you
do own the game, have you used any golden hammers yet to unlock any rewards? If so, on what challenges?
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3-22-2008 @ 10:46AM
Roto13 said...
Sakurai actually used this feature in Kirby's Air Ride four years ago.
It's way better than those stupid achievements from Xbox games. I hate that whole gamer score system. It's just a bunch of penis-waving. Brawl sets goals and gives you rewards for reaching them. Really, it's basically the same thing as the unlockable trophies and characters and stages and stuff from Melee, except this time you have a way to know what the challenges are without checking a guide online.
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3-22-2008 @ 4:47PM
AnOffday said...
Fanboy much?
3-25-2008 @ 2:01AM
Psy said...
*looks at AnOffday's post*
*looks at website name*
*shakes head and walks off*
3-22-2008 @ 9:33PM
Roto13 said...
Yes, disliking something about the Xbox 360 makes me a fanboy. Go die in a fire.
3-23-2008 @ 2:29AM
Gendreavus said...
Not liking the 360 gamerscore system makes him a biased fanboy? Weird, I thought it was just a personal opinion that he enjoys actually getting content for doing things rather than making a number under their name get bigger. Achievements can be fun to go for and unlock, but in the end you don't get anything new for it. Besides, gamerscore means nothing except for how much money people blow on games for the 360. People with 600 gamerpoints can kick just as much butt on Halo 3 as people with 36000.
3-23-2008 @ 1:03PM
Garst said...
*Watches as AnOffday fades from an old picture of him*
*Forgets he ever existed*
3-23-2008 @ 5:27PM
caramelzappa said...
"Brawl sets goals and gives you rewards for reaching them."
How is that different than xbox live achievements? It's basically the same thing. The problem with xbox live is some of the achievements are poor choices, and you end up with teams of people not really playing the game to buff up their gamerscore. The games that choose their achievements well (Like the orange box) make the system not much different from brawl at all.
3-23-2008 @ 5:51PM
Roto13 said...
What reward do you get from those god awful achievements? Some points and a 30x30 picture. Big freaking deal. It's a hell of a stretch to call that a reward.
3-24-2008 @ 9:13PM
Klink258 said...
"It's just a bunch of penis-waving."
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=258
3-22-2008 @ 10:49AM
Dan Bruno said...
My theory about Brawl is that the museum aspect of it is more important than the actual gameplay; the complex challenges system and remarkable breadth of unlockable items play into this.
If you're interested -- that is, interested enough to read another eight hundred words about it :) -- take a look: http://cruiseelroy.net/2008/03/brawl/
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3-22-2008 @ 10:55AM
Nathew said...
i'm trying to at least get every hint before i use the hammers, just in case i need them to unlock something harder i don't know about yet.
so far, haven't been able to do any 100-man, 15-minute, or 100 in endless brawl yet. i managed to do the cruel brawl one by using pit to fly underneath the stage and get them to fall off.
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3-22-2008 @ 11:44AM
Lanceh said...
I'd recommend you use the Cruel Brawl strategy for surviving the 15-minute one. I just constantly floated under the stage with Jigglypuff from edge to edge for 15 minutes; dull, but effective.
3-22-2008 @ 12:36PM
3cubed minus 3squared plus1 said...
Use Olimar to get 100 in endless brawl. He is so bad ass, I got 116 before a bomb exploded on me.
3-22-2008 @ 1:49PM
Ashley Boyd said...
I got about 250 in Endless using...Pikachu or Pit. I forget. I stood in one place and used up+A. Not very skillful, but it worked.
3-24-2008 @ 9:18PM
Klink258 said...
You'd be surprised, but Lucas is the best for this with his Up+A.
That's how I got Falco at least.
3-22-2008 @ 11:10AM
Jay said...
I've used a couple hammers just on random squares. I like taking risks
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3-22-2008 @ 11:11AM
SoshiKitai said...
...I've nearly got all of them...
So close... yet so far...
DARN YOU BOSS BATTLES!!! DARN YOU!!!!
I can never get the timing right for the final boss in very hard mode...
Other than the obvious 100-hours-on-brawl, all final smash trophies, all trophies, 500 stickers (so close... I need like 25 more), 50000 coins (or was it 500000?), and such... I'm practically done.
All stages unlocked, all characters unlocked, all assist trophies unlocked, almost all songs unlocked, all stage builder items unlocked, all events and modes unlocked, and etc...
The only thing that truly eludes me (and pisses me off) is the very hard mode and intense mode for boss battles...
I have bad timing, so dodging that "instant KO through-out the entire screen --attack" is nearly impossible for me.... it was easier in hard mode, when that move wouldn't immediately kill you.
There is of course Classic and all-star mode, but those are a lot easier than the boss battles for me. (as you can see, the boss battles have taken up most of my time)
...because of my constant boss-battling, I haven't even gone to get every boss trophy in subspace emissary...
...the challenge system? Oh, it's cool. It just likes to mock me.
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3-22-2008 @ 12:12PM
flameofdoom666 said...
How do you get the boss trophys??
3-23-2008 @ 3:45AM
iofthestorm said...
Damn, you make me feel bad. It took me forever just to beat Tabuu on easy, until I found out about sidestepping (I was never very skilled at melee either, mostly just button mashing heh) although part of it was because I was playing with my sister who is even worse than me. But actually it's good that I learned about using dodges effectively from Tabuu because I think I'm a lot better now. How many hours have you played to get all that stuff?
3-24-2008 @ 12:21AM
SoshiKitai said...
How many hours?
Dunno. I think I got that after 4 days... (not sure how long each day... never timed it)
... It could've gone faster if I wasn't making stages... I'm nearly up to 70 stages now.
3-22-2008 @ 11:22AM
omar said...
i used the hammers on some random blocks. i didnt know they unlocked stuff for u i just thought they gave the hints for unopened blocks
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3-23-2008 @ 3:46AM
iofthestorm said...
Yeah same, I just used them on random blocks far away from others to unlock stuff. How exactly do you get golden hammers though? I just use one randomly whenever I get one.
3-22-2008 @ 11:47AM
flatluigi said...
I'm working my way through them. I've almost got every blue block unlocked or red, with two exceptions, although I'm pretty sure what they are. It's definitely a good way to keep people playing when multiplayer isn't an option at the moment.
Boss Battles can go off in a corner and die, though. No continues? Seriously?
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3-22-2008 @ 3:50PM
Mr Khan said...
Boss Battles have been another staple of Kirby games
But we're lucky, they could've pulled the Kirby 64 boss marathon system: No power-ups, no extra lives, no heal items
3-22-2008 @ 11:48AM
Croove55 said...
Like Roto said, this was done in Kirby's Air Ride, and done WELL. Of course, it was a square back then, not a long rectangle, and unlocking a square revealed the hints for the four squares on each side of it. Sakurai even brought over the menu system, with barely any changes.
Since KAR might be my one of my five favorite games *period*, I completely love the inclusion of the old menu and challenge systems. That game did not receive half of the attention it deserved. The replay value really is right up there with SSB. Meteos also stands up to years of play without gaining any gray hair.
I...guess I like Sakurai a lot.
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3-22-2008 @ 12:16PM
Jhongerkong said...
Nice too see someone else who likes air ride. That game was too awesome.
3-22-2008 @ 12:21PM
flameofdoom666 said...
I loved it
3-22-2008 @ 12:32PM
WhatIsThatThing said...
I still play City Trial mode with friends to this day.
3-22-2008 @ 1:11PM
Mr Khan said...
I played that game for 30 minutes a night, pretty much every weeknight through the summer of 2005
3-22-2008 @ 1:41PM
Mrblonde said...
Sakurai needs to make a kirby air ride for the wii for his next game with good online. I loved kirby air ride on teh cube, but the lake of people to play it with, got me bored with it.
3-22-2008 @ 1:41PM
Mrblonde said...
Oh my. Lake really? Lack i ment
3-22-2008 @ 8:17PM
TheOverlord#2 (will beat you with Toon Link!)(1461-5875-9923) said...
I love playing with the lake people!
3-22-2008 @ 11:57PM
Shogan said...
Add me to the Kirby's Air Ride fans. That game was great, but people got turned off by the just "A" controls.
I haven't started obsessing over the Brawl unlockables yet (save for stages and characters), I just kinda like to see the stuff happen randomly. Eventually, it'll be something that consumes me.
3-22-2008 @ 11:51AM
+++volume+++ said...
I had 3 hammers, I just used them for the hell of it. I'm not planning on getting all of them, so whatevuhhh.
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3-22-2008 @ 12:01PM
Travis said...
Does anyone know if you can use Golden Hammers on the red windows after you have made every window red? I know right now I can't use Golden Hammers on red windows but if I make my entire challenge area red windows then my left-over Golden Hammers would be wasted. Does anyone know the answer to this?
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3-22-2008 @ 2:02PM
Jesus said...
you should be able to use golden hammers on the red spaces. But there are some spots that just can't be broken with the hammers like any of the boss battle ones.
3-22-2008 @ 12:06PM
Covarr said...
I carefully positioned the hammers I used in order to either unlock or make visible as many things as possible. My main goal is to get all the music, so even if I don't unlock a CD it might give me a hint to unlocking one. I don't particularly care about trophies or stickers, though the stage building parts are pretty nice also.
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3-22-2008 @ 12:20PM
flameofdoom666 said...
How do you get the boss trophys??
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3-22-2008 @ 12:58PM
Dopple Boppler said...
Replay the boss levels in Subspace and hope that a trophy stand spawns. The higher difficulty level you're at the more they spawn, and there's even stickers that increase the trophy stand drop rate. I put those on Pokemon Trainer since Charizard's pretty much the best boss killer in the game~
3-22-2008 @ 12:22PM
Alex said...
I have yet to use any Golden Hammers yet, I'm going to try every strategy on these Multiman Brawls before I use one on these, I'll probably use it on the All Star Mode on Intense with No Continues one. Since that's insane and I'll probably never be able to beat that.
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3-22-2008 @ 1:12PM
Mr Khan said...
Some of the most insane ones are hammer-proof, as i've learned to my dismay
3-22-2008 @ 12:48PM
Mountain lion link said...
How do you even use them? I have four hammers and now button mapping allows me to use them. Since I would probably use them on the music more then anything else. Since I want me music.
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Onto another topic, is anyone else disappointed that MP3 music can not be imported or listened too on an SD card? I thought that it was announced that it could be done back on the dojo a while back.
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3-22-2008 @ 1:15PM
Mr Khan said...
Just keep pushing down on the joystick or d-pad or whatever, once the cursors on the bottom row of blocks, push down again, and you get to select one of your hammers
3-22-2008 @ 12:51PM
Mr Khan said...
I liked it when it was in Kirby Air Ride, I like it now
I use the Golden Hammers whenever I see a challenge that just seems like busywork, like to get Stage Editor Parts Set B you had to build 5 stages in stage editor, seemed like Busy work, rather than an actual accomplishment, so i hammered it
I always keep one gold hammer on hold, though, so I only use one if I have two or more.
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3-23-2008 @ 11:05AM
Roto13 said...
It's busy work, but it's only like five minutes of busy work. :P Making five stages doesn't mean making five GOOD stages. xP
3-22-2008 @ 1:21PM
Matt said...
I've so far only used one Golden Hammer... and it was on the Stage Builder parts that you unlock after making 15 stages... I think that's a little ridiculous... But then something else weird is that I have so far built 6 stages, but I haven't unlocked the first stage builder parts that you should unlock once you make 5! Is it because you need to save the levels to the Wii, and not an SD card? 'Cause I've been saving them to SD the whole time... But I've tried transferring them over to the Wii, to see if that'll unlock it... but alas, it does not!
Has anyone else had this problem?
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3-22-2008 @ 1:24PM
flameofdoom666 said...
I saved to SD also, and it works...
Make sure you made them all personally. ANy sent does not count. If so, then that is strange!
3-22-2008 @ 1:36PM
Anthology said...
I heard some hammers cant break some of the glass squares. I only have 12 challenges left. But i might use a hammer on beat boss battle on intense, and beat 100 man battle with everyone.
- Clear Boss Battles on hard difficulty.
- Clear Boss Battles on very hard difficulty.
- Clear Boss Battles on intense difficulty.
- Clear 100-man brawl with all characters.
- Endure a 15-minute brawl.
- Exceed 300 ft. combined swim distance for all characters.
- Play over 30 hours of brawls.
- Play 50 hours of brawls.
- Play over 100 hours of brawls.
- Collect all songs.
- Collect all stickers.
- Get 500 different trophies.
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3-22-2008 @ 8:28PM
TheOverlord#2 (will beat you with Toon Link!)(1461-5875-9923) said...
For the 300 ft. challenge, go on the pirate ship stage with a 3 minute timer...then jump in the water the whole time. When your character's head is only visible(or looking like they are drowing xP) just jump and grab the edge of the ship and let go...then repeat. You can move in the water long cause even if your opponent followed you, he/she can't fight in water anyway.(also, you can move around if you didn't know)
Remember, everyone. Combined for ALL characters doesn't mean every character has to do it too(except for HR challenges...I was mad when I found that out xD).
3-23-2008 @ 1:38AM
Anthology said...
Yeah i actually got the 300 ft of swimming in the Jungle Japes Melee level. Just jumped in the water and let it carry me off to my death. 3:00 minutes of doing that and i was got it.